Plato gorgias

He was around sixty years old in BC when he was sent to Athens by his fellow-citizens at the head of an embassy to ask for Athenian protection against the aggression of the Syracusans. He subsequently settled in Athens, probably due to the enormous popularity of his style of oratory and the profits made from his performances and rhetoric classes. According to Aristotlehis students included Isocrates.

Plato gorgias

What is the nature and function of rhetoric? Can rhetoric properly be called an "art?

Plato gorgias

Rhetoric, Socrates, is my art. Then I am to call you a rhetorician?

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Yes, Socrates, and a good one too, if you would call me that which, in Homeric language, "I boast myself to be. Very good then; as you profess to be a rhetorician, and a maker of rhetoricians, let me ask you, with what is rhetoric concerned: I might ask with what is weaving concerned, and you would reply would you not?

And music is concerned with the composition of melodies? I am glad to hear it; answer me in like Plato gorgias about rhetoric: What sort of discourse, Gorgias? Then rhetoric does not treat of all kinds of discourse? And yet rhetoric makes men able to speak?

And to understand that about which they speak?

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But does not the art of medicine, which we were just now mentioning, also make men able to understand and speak about the sick? Then medicine also treats of discourse? Of discourse concerning diseases? And does not gymnastic also treat of discourse concerning the good or evil condition of the body?

And the same, Gorgias, is true of the other arts: Then why, if you call rhetoric the art which treats of discourse, and all the other arts treat of discourse, do you not call them arts of rhetoric?

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Because, Socrates, the knowledge of the other arts has only to do with some sort of external action, as of the hand; but there is no such action of the hand in rhetoric which works and takes effect only through the medium of discourse.

And therefore I am justified in saying that rhetoric treats of discourse. I am not sure whether I entirely understand you, but I dare say I shall soon know better; please to answer me a question: As to the arts generally, they are for the most part concerned with doing, and require little or no speaking; in painting, and statuary, and many other arts, the work may proceed in silence; and of such arts I suppose you would say that they do not come within the province of rhetoric.

You perfectly conceive my meaning, Socrates.

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But there are other arts which work wholly through the medium of language, and require either no action or very little, as, for example, the arts of arithmetic, of calculation, of geometry, and of playing draughts; in some of these speech is pretty nearly co-extensive with action, but in most of them the verbal element is greater-they depend wholly on words for their efficacy and power: And yet I do not believe that you really mean to call any of these arts rhetoric; although the precise expression which you used was, that rhetoric is an art which works and takes effect only through the medium of discourse; and an adversary who wished to be captious might say, "And so, Gorgias, you call arithmetic rhetoric.

You are quite right, Socrates, in your apprehension of my meaning. Well, then, let me now have the rest of my answer: And then he would proceed to ask: And if he asked again: And if he further said, "Concerned with what?

And suppose, again, I were to say that astronomy is only word-he would ask, "Words about what, Socrates? You would be quite right, Socrates. And now let us have from you, Gorgias, the truth about rhetoric: Words which do what? To what class of things do the words which rhetoric uses relate?

To the greatest, Socrates, and the best of human things. That again, Gorgias is ambiguous; I am still in the dark: I dare say that you have heard men singing at feasts the old drinking song, in which the singers enumerate the goods of life, first health, beauty next, thirdly, as the writer of the song says, wealth honesty obtained.

Yes, I know the song; but what is your drift? I mean to say, that the producers of those things which the author of the song praises, that is to say, the physician, the trainer, the money-maker, will at once come to you, and first the physician will say: Do you mean that your art produces the greatest good?The Sophists (Ancient Greek) The sophists were itinerant professional teachers and intellectuals who frequented Athens and other Greek cities in the second half of the fifth century B.C.E.

Plato answers Gorgias by reaffirming the Parmenidean ideal that being is the basic substance and reality of which all things are composed, insisting that philosophy is a dialectic distinct from and superior to rhetoric (Wardy 52).

Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by Project Gutenberg. One of the middle or transitional dialogues of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, "Gorgias" is one of his more important writings.

Plato contrasts the rhetorician and the philosopher, whose differing specialties are persuasion and refutation, respectively. Gorgias [Plato, Benjamin Jowett] on *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. One of the middle or transitional dialogues of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, Gorgias is one of his more important writings.

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